Propane Conversion: How to Make LPG Cars

Liquid propane can be a low-emissions alternative fuel for cars. With the right vehicle and know-how, you can have a natural gas car.
By the MOTHER EARTH NEWS editors
May/June 1972
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It works. New York, Maine, Tennessee, Florida, Arkansas, Texas, Utah, California . . . I've traveled miles and miles and miles in a VW bus converted to run on LP (liquid propane) and the easy-to-install system really does result in lower operating and maintenance costs, much longer engine life AND 70% less air pollution.

(Note from the editors: This conversion is for non-fuel-injected vehicles.)  

Unlike gasoline, LP (and from here on, whenever I say LP you can take it to mean liquid propane, homemade methane or natural gas . . . the system will work on any of these) enters your engine as a completely vaporized fuel that's free from lead, carbon, gum, sulfur and most pollutants. LP won't foul your car's plugs, ruin its valves, contaminate its oil, wash down its cylinder walls and rings, burn out its muffler . . . OR destroy the air we all breathe. And while mileage and performance are about the same as with gasoline, cost per gallon of LP generally runs about 15% less than you've probably been paying for fuel.

So what are the disadvantages of this low-polluting system? First, it'll cost you something over $100 (including everything) to do your conversion . . . a bit of money even when you consider that the equipment will transfer readily to your next vehicle. Second, filling up an LP tank simply isn't as convenient as stopping at a gasoline station. However, only a few times in 15,000 miles have I found LP so inaccessible that I was forced to use the other half of my dual system and switch over to gasoline for a while.

There's absolutely nothing new about LP conversion. Excellent equipment of the kind I'm using has been around for over 40 years and more than 250,000 vehicles-mostly trucks, cabs and forklifts—are currently operating on LP. The hardware is well proven.

Equipment

You'll need five major pieces of equipment to convert your car to LP. All are available from most any LP dealer (with a little help from a hardware store on fittings), although you might want to try getting a used tank from one of the large forklift users or any of the businesses listed under "Gas, Liquified Petroleum, Bulk". If necessary, write to National LP Gas Association, for help in locating equipment dealers near you. OK. Here's what you'll need:

1. A FUEL TANK. Use only a regulation motor vehicle LP tank made to ASME, ICC or DOT specifications. Such a container has all the safety features required by law and common sense, comes with a gauge, has terrific rupture resistance and is built to last forever.

2. A CONVERTOR, or "demand regulator" that changes the liquid propane to a gas (using engine heat to prevent freezing) and supplies just as much of the fuel as the power plant demands through its carburetor vacuum. There are a number of good, time-tested convertors on the market (Century, Beam, Impco, etc.). I've been satisfied with the Century in my bus but I've just done a conversion with an Impco that seems even better.

3. A SPUD-IN JET for your engine's carburetor (two if there are two carburetors).

4. TWO HOSES. One (A) to take liquid propane from the fuel tank to the convertor and another (B) to carry vaporized fuel from the convertor to the carburetor. Hose A must be super-duper aircraft quality and you'll probably have to order it to length and diameter specifications (in which case it'll come with fittings on either end). Hose B can be the ordinary rubber variety since it'll contain very little pressure. About 8' of A and 2' of B should do it.

5. FITTINGS AND HARDWARE. This will sound complex but don't panic. To conduct engine heat into and out of your convertor you'll need a foot or so of heater hose and two Y fittings for a water-cooled engine . . . or some 3/8" O.D. (outside diameter) copper tubing and a flare adapter nipple for a VW. A fitting to adapt hose A to the convertor's LP-in port. A brass reducer to step the convertor's vapor output down to standard 5/16" O.D. fuel line size. A standard on-off valve (with suitable fittings) to insert in the gas line. Enough single-strand electrical wire (bell wire) to run from the convertor to the car's dash. A doorbell-type switch for the primer. Water-hose clamps and compression fittings, miscellaneous nuts and bolts and—if desired or needed—plastic fasteners for attaching the hoses to the car and steel braces for mounting the LP tank.

Costs - Roughly (1972)

Standard retail convertor costs average about $55 (the Century G85A) for a VW, $45 (Impco JO) for other engines under 150 HP and $70 (Impco EO) for larger power plants.

Hoses (hose A is expensive, but it doesn't pay to cut corners here) are about $16 and a jet will set you back $1.00, fittings and hardware $6.00 and shipping (if necessary) $3.00.

A new 14-gallon pressure tank costs around $70 but I got mine used for $35 at the first place I asked. Figuring that as average for a do-it-yourself installation, the grand total for a VW conversion comes to $116, other engines under 150 HP add up to $106 and larger power plants tally out to $131.

Tools and Supplies

You'll need a minimum of two adjustable wrenches or one adjustable wrench and a set of open or box end wrenches; a good screwdriver of the correct size; pliers; a hacksaw; electric drill and bits up to 1/2" (up to 9/16" for a VW); hammer and punch; 1/8" NPT (National Pipe Thread) tap (VW people will also need a 3/8" NPT tap and a chisel; a vise, if possible; small tube of pipe-joint sealer; a tube of plastic rubber . . . and a friend or two to help lift the tank into place and lend moral support throughout.

Instructions

Detailed instructions should accompany your convertor. What follows are simply my thoughts on doing the job without some of the normally recommended equipment. . . and adapting the conversion instructions (written mainly for water-cooled engines) to the VW.

Installing the Tank

Mounting a propane tank in standard cars is mostly a matter of common sense. With a VW, though, you may have to put the fuel container on rather than in the vehicle. My friendly welder charged me $5.00 for my custom roof mount (the bracket was coated with canned spray paint to prevent rust) firmly attached the fuel tank base to my van's roof with six 5/16" bolts that were secured with nuts and lock washers which were—in turn—sealed with little globs of plastic rubber

Installing the Convertor

If your car has a water-cooled engine, you'll heat the convertor by running hot water through it from the power plant's cooling system. This is extremely simple if the system is the type that always circulates hot fluid through the automobile's greater whether it's in use or not) Just cut through the hose that takes hot water to the heater and put the convertor directly into that line.

Other water-cooled systems are more complicated to tap but the process isn't hard. See the set of instructions that come with your convertor and remember to use pipe-joint sealer on all connections.

If you have a VW or other air-cooled engine, you're going to use exhaust heat to warm the convertor. Start by drilling a 9/16" hole in your car's muffler. Where? Scrooch down on your back underneath the VW with your feet behind the right rear wheel and your head behind the left rear tire. See where the muffler is attached to the heater box by semi-circular clamps and long, skinny bolts? Just to the rear of those clamps is where you drill . . . horizontally.

Now tap threads into the hole using a 3/8" NPT tap. I've found it easier not to use a tap handle for this . . . instead, just apply pressure to the shank of the tap with your thumb while turning the tap with whatever wrench fits (usually 5/8"). If you have a socket set, it'll work really well for turning the tap in . . . use the ratchet and a 5/8" socket.

Next attach the 3/8" O.D. copper tubing to a nipple screwy screwed into the hole you've just drilled and tapped. Drill a 3/8" hole up through the engine compartment floor (slightly to the left of the power plant for the VW bug. . . into the far left engine compartment space for the bus). Shove the other end of the copper tubing up through this hole and attach it to one side of your convertor's water tunnel with a ferrule-type compression fitting as the unit is lying on its side with the primer button pointing at you.

Attach a second length (like one foot) of tubing to the other end of the convertor's water tunnel, drill another 3/8" hole in the engine compartment floor (about a foot away from the first), run the tubing out of the engine compartment and bend it so that it ends up horizontal and pointing straight back the holes in the floor with plastic rubber and secure your convertor to the engine.

Now the VW and the non-VW folks are back together again for the next step of bushing down the convertor's LP-vapor-port to a 5/16" O.D. nipple so that hose B may be attached. Secure the hose with small clamps and leave it dangling till law.

Just how hose A will run from the LP tank to the convert will be determined by the design of your particular auto. In U.S. vehicles the path is pretty direct . . . from the tank on the trunk shelf, through the trunk floor, under the car and up into the engine compartment. In VWs you'll have to cut a suitable hole to let hose A into your engine compartment. The higher up the hole the better (right over the taillight is best in the bus) to keep hose A out of harm's way in case your car gets bumped. Drill a 1/2" hole and widen it with your chisel until hose A passes through.

Attach one end of the "A" hose to the LP-in port of your convertor (using an appropriate fitting) and the other end to the LP-liquid-out port of the fuel tank. If you've drilled a hole, use plenty of plastic rubber to seal it once hose A is in place and secure the hose to the outside of the car with a few plastic-coated clamps wherever it seems to need it.

Installing the Jet

You can install the necessary conversion jet without removing your car's carburetor, but you're likely to get small metal shavings in the engine while doing it . . . and that's not healthy. So get the carb out. The air cleaner comes off first, then the two or four bolts that attach the carburetor to the intake manifold and then whatever other linkages and whatnots are still holding the thing in place.

On a VW, loosen the clamp that holds the air cleaner to the top of the carburetor and remove the cleaner. Then pull off any wires (none, one or two) that you see going to the right side of the carb and don't worry about mixing them up . . . it doesn't matter in what order you put the wires back on.

Take off the two cloth-covered tubes on the left side of the carb and unscrew the two 13 mm bolts that hold the carburetor to the manifold (a 1/2" wrench will work if you don't have a 13 mm one). As you lift the carb off, you'll find that it's still held by a connection to the accelerator cable, the end of which passes through a little cylinder clamp which has a small setscrew in its side. Loosen the setscrew and slip the cable out . . . but be careful you don't lose the cylinder clamp, which is now free to drop out. Note where it goes and store it in a safe place.

Now with the carb on the workbench, preferably in a vise, drill a 5/16" hole into where the up-down passageway (throat is narrowest . . . the exact spot is not at all critical, but you don't want to pick a place where you're going to drill through the float bowl or something. Check out a VW carb while it's still on the engine and note that right at the midpoint (up-down) and slightly to the right there's a raised round place with a smaller round depression in the middle . . . a perfect place to drill.

The carburetor is aluminum, so cutting will be easy, with some sticking near the end and lots of flying shavings all along. Don't let the shavings bother you . . . just try to drill straight and don't worry if things begin to seem mighty fragile. As you finish, look down into the carb and go easy to make sure the bit doesn't strike through forcefully enough to damage something inside the carburetor throat.

Now get out that 1/8" NPT tap and a tap handle if you have one (a wrench if you don't). Tap threads into the hole as far as you can, watching down through the carb to be sure you stop the tap just before it strikes anything inside the throat. Then screw the jet into the hole as far as it will go without striking anything (but no further than halfway through the throat). Finish with the jet's bevel pointing down. If you have two carburetors, simply repeat the procedure on the second one.

Apply some pipe-joint sealer, pour gasoline over the carburetor—inside and out—to get all the shavings and grime off and replace the carb. On a VW, put the cylinder clamp back in place after the carb's in and the two 13 mm bolts are secured . . . then have a friend climb into the car and depress the accelerator pedal. This will help you line up the accelerator cable with the cylinder clamp and then you can gently ease the cable end into the clamp as your friend lets up on the pedal. With the pedal all the way up and the lever holding the cylinder clamp as straight up and down as it'll go, tighten the setscrew on the cylinder. Then replace wires, tubes and air cleaner.

For the final step, connect the dangling end of hose B—already attached to the convertor's LP-vapor-out nipple—to the jet and secure it with a small water-hose clamp. For a two-carburetor system, get a simple Y fitting and install it into hose B (bottom toward convertor) and then run lengths of hose B off the two Y arms to each carb.

You're done with the only substantial change you'll make in your car's engine.

Finishing the Installation

Locate the hose or metal tube that runs down from the top of your carburetor to the fuel pump, cut it right in the middle, install the on-off valve where you made the cut and put things together with compression fittings. Don't install the valve anywhere in the fuel system except between the fuel pump and the carb . . . no damage whatsoever can result from the fuel pump working against a stopped line, but much harm can come from the pump sucking on an empty line. If you have a hose-type line, you'll need to attach a small length of copper tubing (1/4" O.D.) to each end of the valve for the hose to fit over.

Finally (wow, we're almost through), connect one end of that single-strand electrical wire to the appropriate terminal on your convertor (see the diagram that comes with the unit), run the wire under the car and into the passenger compartment—through one of the grommets in the fire wall or floorboard—and attach it to a simple push-button, doorbell-type switch.

Run a short length of the same kind of wire from the other terminal of the switch to your car's fusebox. Holding the switch in the "on" position, take out one fuse and touch the bare end of the wire first to one and then to the other end of the fuse holder. Repeat the process on down the line of fuses until you find a fuse holder where one side sparks and the other doesn't. Attach your wire to the side that doesn't. Replace the fuse and affix the switch inside the car wherever you'd like . . . you'll use it to operate the convertor's primer, which gives your engine a shot of LP vapor just before you start it up.

And you're ready to start it up just as soon as you get your LP tank filled.

There'll still be gasoline in the car's carburetor so, before you take that first LP drive, turn the gasoline on-off valve to "off" (perpendicular to the line), start your car as usual (what used to be usual, anyway) and let it run for a few minutes until it uses up the gasoline in the carburetor and conks out. Now open the liquid-out valve of your LP tank, turn on the key, hit the primer button for two seconds and start 'er up. Hurray! You're driving on LP gas!

When you run out of LP, just turn on your gasoline valve and crank the engine (you'll need a battery that's in good shape) until sufficient gasoline gets up into the carb (pumping the accelerator pedal may help). After you've filled up with LP again, turn the gasoline valve off and start the car a second time. For a few minutes the air-fuel mixture will be too rich and the engine will sputter, but the car will return to its usual purr once the gasoline in the carb is burned off.

Adjusting the Air-Fuel Mixture

If the engine idles just about the same as it did on gasoline you've hit things just right. If it's a tad slower, turn the idle screw up a bit and smile . . . you're still in good shape. Chances are, though, the engine will tend to conk out when you let it idle because your LP-air mixture isn't yet quite perfect.

In the latter case, drill a small hole (say 1/8") perpendicularly into the copper tube sticking out from the jet and into the carburetor (best to remove the jet before drilling). Insert any ordinary, small screw that you can just squeeze in, put the jet back and then get a friend to apply a slight but steady pressure to the accelerator pedal (to keep the engine going) while you toy with the screw. Turn it in and out and see what happens. If you can get maximum rpm without removing the screw entirely, you're all set.

But you might find that the highest rpm comes with the hole left open. If so, drill another hole, insert the screw and toy around until you get optimal rpm that you can lower by moving that screw in and out.

On the other hand, maybe your best results come when you put your finger over the hole . . . that's OK, too, because you can just tape up the hole and be done with it.

In the unlikely circumstance that a finger over the hole gives you the best idle—but one that's still nowhere near what you had with gasoline (even when you turn the idle screw up a bit)—then you need a larger jet. Before you buy one, try reaming out the opening of the jet you have, using a drill bit that almost—but not quite—makes it into the opening (maybe 7/32"). If that still doesn't do the trick, you'll just have to get a larger spud-in jet from your LP-equipment dealer .

Other Things Worth Doing

Nothing else is absolutely necessary to make your car run smoothly on LP, although there are lots of goodies you can buy and things you can do to make your conversion more elegant, convenient, efficient, etc. Things like regapping the spark plugs to .008-.010" (.018" for a VW), removing the automobile's heat riser, taking off the automatic choke, adding a filter-fuel lock, putting more sophisticated jets in the carburetor or mounting an electric solenoid switch on the car's dash so you can flip back and forth from LP to gasoline while driving.

None of these modifications will hurt the vehicle during it, short sprints on gasoline and they can all be readily undone—in fact, they must be—if your car's ever to run exclusively on : gasoline again . . . but I won't go into them here because these changes are covered in the manuals that come with LP convertors.

Here's a special tidbit for VW bus owners, though . . . turn the air cleaner around so that its snout points toward the engine compartment's side vents. That way you'll draw the coolest possible air into the power plant.

Buying Liquid Propane

Once you're off and running on LP the only trouble you're likely to have is in finding a source of fuel. You can minimize this problem by writing to Woodall Publishing Company, for a list of more than 8,000 LF dealers across the country. As LP use for campers and motor vehicles becomes more common, LP depots are proliferating and Woodall handles a fairly up-to-date guide. I Truck stops sooty also commonly sell LP.

By the way, if you're going to be in an unfamiliar unfamiliar area for a while, check (anonymously by phone) on whether LP is cheaper as a motor fuel or as a non-motor fuel. It's often possible to save quite a bit by purchasing LP for heating/cooking rather than for driving. In Vancouver, for example, LP is 20¢ a gallon for use off the road and 40¢ a gallon for use as a motor fuel, most of the difference being in road tax. Oddly enough, in some states things are the other way around . . . so check first.

If anyone tries to charge you more for LP than for gasoline, they're not giving you the bulk rate and you should protest. There's no need to pay the high prices charged for bottled gas. Remember that people aren't much used to seeing private cars run on LP yet . . . so there's lots of room for firm talking on your part and well-I-guess-it-must-be-so thinking on theirs.

Maybe it won't always be so. Maybe someday LP-powered vehicles will be the rule rather than the exception . . . and maybe then we can all start enjoying the cleaner air that results from the use of LP gas as a fuel for motor vehicles.


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dudette
1/24/2014 8:54:36 AM
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Mark Villar
2/23/2013 6:12:27 AM
Has anyone ever thought of running their car with water? I have a post on some tips and information you might be interested in. www.mark4bestreviews.com/gasconversion/

Robert Bruce
11/23/2012 11:10:47 PM
does anyone know where I can get info on converting an injection car to LP

Timothy Mckee
9/14/2012 5:10:55 AM
hope the thread is still read. It runs under water too, its crazy. Now insight on the spud-in jet. are there pics of the one used? how long does it need to be, and a good brand to use. having trouble finding a right one to use.

DAN BENOIT
2/1/2012 1:01:19 AM
wow now 2 in 1 week: want to convert an 87 jeep. it will also run at any angle while off road

kena walla
1/24/2012 3:27:41 PM
wow no-ones read this since oh.. umm..2008..(its now 2012/jan 24th.wow)..smilz from the beach on the s.e coast

Pat Miketinac
12/30/2008 9:53:27 PM
I converted a 1970 Chevy pickup to propane 20 years ago and loved it. I kept the orig. fuel system so I could use either. I sold it because they changed the rules in Florida so that road taxes had to be paid a year in advance. It is no longer a DIY project here either, legally. Sad, no?

spidermonkey
10/2/2008 12:25:19 PM
"Unlike gasoline, LP .. enters your engine as a completely vaporized fuel that's free from lead, carbon, gum, sulfur and most pollutants. LP won't foul your car's plugs, ruin its valves, contaminate its oil, wash down its cylinder walls and rings, burn out its muffler . . . OR destroy the air we all breathe. And while mileage and performance are about the same as with gasoline, cost per gallon of LP generally runs about 15% less than you've probably been paying for fuel." wow i never knew the hydro carbon propane didnt have carbon.. yes its cleaner but.. look at emissions per BTU or mile and cost per mile i have looked at all this many times before and electricity is best imo because of the inefficiency of ICE the electric is more efficient and and electricity is out there now cost 2 cent a mile vs 14 cent on gasoline locally for 1-3 cent more a KWh you can select a 'green' electric supply if you are of the mind to i know alot of aussies and dutch use LPG or CNG but they have fill stations. what came first the fill station or the demand?

Tiara
9/16/2008 11:04:16 AM
Hi everyone, never having been to the US I'm really suprised that you dont use LPG to fuel your cars. I'm in Australia where it's been used for many years and with todays petrol prices it does makes a difference. Any car can be converted here, an 800cc suzuki through to a high performance V8, but they have to be professionally fitted and certified. We now have a $2000 government rebate to convert our cars with the consumer sometimes paying an excess of up to $400 depending on what model of car and size tank etc. Petrol today is selling at my local gas station for $1.52c a litre, I'm not too sure on the conversion but I think its somewhere close to $6 something a gallon and LPG is 0.62c a litre give or take a few cents. So are there no regulations on modifying your car with LPG over there? Can one just do this themselves willy nilly? Do you have places to have cars professionally fitted? I think its a great idea if you can do it yourself but I hope you trust your own skill because leaking tanks here from people who have tried modifying themselves have just gone BOOOOMM!! In response to someone who asked how the car would run, performance wise the car is a little slower but the only time you really notice this is at take off or if youre trying to overtake another car. I have a '64 beetle Im planning to oneday restore I was considering converting to LPG. They make donut shaped tanks that fit in where the spare wheel goes for cars with limited boot space if any other "buggers" were considering to also convert. Safe driving! Tiara

Marc_1
9/10/2008 9:55:30 PM
I too would like to get a kit for an aircooled VW, guess I'll have to snail-mail Jerry to see if they're still available.

Kenny_1
9/7/2008 8:51:54 PM
I have a 1979 Ford F-100 with a 300 straight six single barrel carb that I'm just dying to convert to propane. I live right down the street from a propane supplier. I want the whole thing, even the solenoid to swap back and forth. I allready have a ten gallon forklift tank and clamps/brackets.

Harry D. Peeples
9/4/2008 7:07:02 PM
Can this system be mounted and used on fuel enjection. What is the WC pressuse at the outlet at the reg. thank you Harry Peeples

Bob Cadman_1
9/3/2008 11:27:17 PM
Are these kits still available? I am interested in one for an aircooled VW engine. Thanks, BobC

Bob Cadman_2
9/3/2008 10:14:35 PM
Are these kits still available? I am interested in one for an aircooled VW engine. Thanks, BobC

Robert Shon
8/31/2008 2:56:25 PM
Has anyone tried to convert one of the more modern engines? Like a fuel injected Toyota? They do not have carburetors. So,how do you work around the fuel injectors? Bob

J. L. Hickman
8/24/2008 3:37:41 PM
So how does one measure available fuel levels in an LP vehicle? I don't recall any mention of how to keep an eye out for low fuel levels in any of the LP vehicle articles, including the above. If my grill runs out of LP I can drive up the road and get a new bottle. If my vehicle runs out of LP out in the boonies, I'm not going anywhere.

jack_2
8/12/2008 3:59:37 PM
I own a ford econoline van that was converted to propane from the start a think. It is a complete conversion without a dual setup and it sat for awhile because I needed transmission work on it. When I went to start it I couldn't get it to start. Somebody said that there are diaphrams that probably dried up. Is there anyplace where I can find repair manuals and parts lists for this? Thank you.

glenn g
8/12/2008 6:27:53 AM
Looks to be possible for fuel injected engines. This was already linked above http://www.cars.rasoenterprises.com/Propane-Conversions.htm There are several (working?) links and/or telephone numbers to businesses that can perform this conversion service for you.

joe thompson
8/8/2008 10:43:19 AM
I have a 1952 International Pickup Truck, looking to convert to LPG. It looks pretty straightforward but where can I order a conversion kit specific for this type of truck? thanks!

jim bezzerides
8/4/2008 1:06:25 PM
I currently own a 1998 volvo S90 that has fuel injection. Do you have information for fuel injection? Years ago in the fresno calif. area, I had a dual fuel l958 chevy and went well over 100,000 miles with it. mileage was comparable with gasoline. Propane gives better low speed torque. Propane cleans any built up carbon already in the engine, so you have to change the oil often until the carbon is cleaned out,(2000 or 3000 miles), after that the oil stays clean. Back in the 50's there was a chrysler with over 300,000 miles that just changed the filter once in a while. I am a believer!!!!

Rich_1
8/3/2008 4:03:35 PM
Looking to convert a late model Chevy or Doge 4 door 1?2 ton pickup , while they are cheap.. rk

Ron_1
8/2/2008 5:11:07 PM
I have a 1984 Toyota crown six cylinder! Does this article and parts apply to a for Propane conversion on this vehicle?

Sue _1
7/25/2008 2:19:48 AM
I drive an 83 Honda Civic Wagon and would like some tips on converting to LP. I'm an ex Suburban Propane employee and have a good understanding of LP but don't know where to get a conversion kit and am wondering where to mount the tank.

Sue _1
7/25/2008 2:18:53 AM
I drive an 83 Honda Civic Wagon and would like some tips on converting to LP. I'm an ex Suburban Propane employee and have a good understanding of LP but don't know where to get a conversion kit and am wondering where to mount the tank.

Tom Welch
7/23/2008 9:11:47 AM
About ten or twelve years ago I inquired my local LP supplier about this conversion. I asked about the MPG difference and he said his delivery trucks, which were converted, ran an average of about 1 MPG less than if they were not. At the time gas was less than $1 a gallon and the expense didn't seem practical. I wonder if this could be done with a motorcycle? I know LP forklifts also run on 5 gallon upright tanks, which are easy to purchase! (HMMM) Any comments??

Larry_2
7/21/2008 5:24:58 AM
I have not seen anything in reference to MPH after converting to LP gas. If MPG is comparable to gasoline and the price of LP is 40 cents...WOW!! what savings.

Charles_1
7/19/2008 11:47:54 PM
a few things Canada has used propane for years. pull up at a regular gas station fill it up and drive on. They use normal space for a tank as a normal car so why is everyone having a hard timne with this?? 1 more thing I have more than 2 1/2 million miles of driving when I started in85 normal fuel and gas was used (for the most part) the trees and shrubs were very healthy. Now that all these new restrictions have gone into place things along the hwy. are dieing. Lets see trees and things live on what the motors put out and change it into what we breathe. Now that motors put out less and trees and shrubs are dieing where are we left???

MIGUEL GARFIAS_2
7/16/2008 4:28:35 AM
I would like to learn more about the comversion , I have a 1997 grandam 6 cylindrs ad I would like to know more about it.

Kevin_1
7/5/2008 5:24:48 PM
I am currently building a brand new engine for my 1972 Super Beetle and would like to build it as a dual fuel engine. This was great information. A little dated (1972), but nevertheless, quite practical.

Kevin_1
7/5/2008 5:23:56 PM
I am currently building a brand new engine for my 1972 Super Beetle and would like to build it as a dual fuel engine. This was great information. A little dated (1972), but nevertheless, quite practical.

will_1
7/2/2008 12:19:34 PM
please contact me with more info about l-p converters thank you will

chris littlefield_1
6/29/2008 8:00:18 PM
I have a 1996 ford tarus (fuel injected) do you have any information on conv? What are the costs today?

john taton
6/24/2008 1:13:07 AM
Hello I am interested in converting my 1985 Mazda RX 7 rotary motor to LP or LP and gas mix. I was wondering if you have any information on doing so and could recommend the supplies I would need for the conversion. Is there a web link to purchase supplies? Thanks

Shelly_1
6/23/2008 11:12:58 AM
I have a 1999 Mercury Grand Marquis. I am unable to do a conversion to Propane or Natural gas myself. Can you put me in touch with someone in the Phoenix Arizona area that does this kind of work? Can you give me a ballpark figure of the cost of converting to LPG or NG? Shelly

papoole123
2/10/2008 5:09:57 PM
Hi I am a pastor of a small church in southern IL. and would like to set a better example in the area of auto polution. I have a 1981 Jeep that I would like to convert to LP Gas and am having trouple getting it together. Can you help? I can be reached at 618-458-7100 or papoole123@yahoo.com Sincerly Patrick Poole

Robert_112
1/4/2008 1:06:47 AM
Have a 1978 3/4 ton P/U I want to convert to propane I also will be towing a 35.5 ft 5th wheel, plan on running on flat parts of hiway with propane, any place around San Jose to have the kit installed,or that does this anywhere else on the peninsula around Palo Alto? thanks

Christopher_12
12/28/2007 9:37:07 PM
I have a turbocharged car with a force fed carb, incased in a pressure bo. Will this work seeing how there is positive pressure being introduced to the carb?

Jody_6
12/26/2007 12:42:34 PM
need a jerry kit for a vw rail buggy

Tom_44
12/11/2007 10:21:55 PM
Mark, You can convert fuel injected vehicles to run on propane. www.nexgas.us

MICHAEL_77
12/10/2007 11:52:53 AM
THANKS MOM!!!!!!!!!! Probably read my first issue of MOTHER EARTH about 30 years ago, I've been an advocate ever since!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DO BELIEVE THAT AN UPDATE IS URGENTLY CALLED FOR!

Jesse_7
11/14/2007 4:40:42 PM
Also the Fittings needs to be NPTF (National Pipe Thread Fuel) This will prevent leaks the the ordinary NPT fittings would allow!

Clinton
10/28/2007 7:48:56 PM
Where can i find installation instructions for an Impco 300 mixer on s 97 Dodge 318 pickup?

Ralph_12
10/24/2007 9:16:53 AM
My plan is to convert a 1980, 350 CID, Chev. car to operate on propane or gasoline. Does the JERRY KIT for approx. $70.00 still exist?

Mark_54
9/21/2007 8:13:14 PM
What about converting a fuel injected vehicle toLP?

Mark_53
9/21/2007 8:10:43 PM
I also have a Ford van with fuel injection that I would like to covert over to LP. Where can I find out about it?

James_85
8/19/2007 3:49:49 PM
It seems to me the BTU content of propane vs gasolene is considerably lower so small vessels installed in vehicles (to leave room for luggage) would not give you the range that gasolene has. Propane is also a heavier than air gas so more maintenance is needed to keep fittings and pipe from shaking loose and allowing leaks to occur in confined spaces(garages) and low earth spots. Leaks in the vicenity of air intakes can also make the engine continue to run and accelerate regardless of driver releasing the accelerator. There are several more potential safety problems to be solved before using propane. In Hobbs new Mexico a farmer had a lit cigarette blow up and kill him because of a flexible propane hose leak. Solve the problems first!

James_84
8/19/2007 3:49:40 PM
It seems to me the BTU content of propane vs gasolene is considerably lower so small vessels installed in vehicles (to leave room for luggage) would not give you the range that gasolene has. Propane is also a heavier than air gas so more maintenance is needed to keep fittings and pipe from shaking loose and allowing leaks to occur in confined spaces(garages) and low earth spots. Leaks in the vicenity of air intakes can also make the engine continue to run and accelerate regardless of driver releasing the accelerator. There are several more potential safety problems to be solved before using propane. In Hobbs new Mexico a farmer had a lit cigarette blow up and kill him because of a flexible propane hose leak. Solve the problems first!

TimJowers
7/23/2007 8:08:51 AM
Thanks for the article. I'm wanting to convert as one phase in getting off of oil. I'm researching electric vehicles versus gaseous driven. Also looking at Iceland's Hydrogen economy as a possibility; so may consider a third system of H and believe the LP solution as a way to take a small step forward towards that goal. Finally, my question is about timing. The H proponents say to set the timing forward as H burns faster than petrol but does timing need to be reset for LP as well?

Diego
7/6/2007 9:45:24 AM
I have that same question I would like to know about fuel injection vehicles i have a 2007 Toyota Yaris and would like to convert it, I also have a Ford Freestyle 2005, how can I convert these.

jerrid
6/17/2007 2:00:40 PM
When I read this it was talking about carburetor engines. What about fuel injection vehicles?

Theo_1
6/3/2007 10:48:31 PM
I have looked erywhere to find a frofessional installer to have my 2006 Checy Aveo converted to Propane gas. Can you help me find a place. I live in Seattle Wa.

paddon
6/2/2007 2:40:47 PM
want to convert a 2000 pont min van efi is this possibe, would I need to shut the injectors and fuel pump down when the lp is in use and how would we get the the timing retarded back and forth if we wanted to switch fuels if the range got to far?whats your cost estimate to have an independant shop install this [I would be doing this for a customer]? thank you M

Gary_37
5/28/2007 9:53:27 AM
have a 1991 GMC Saffari van V6wanting to convertto LP do I have to instal a throttle onto the Lp for more gas a higher speeds the article didnt say anything about throttles r

Daniel_24
5/27/2007 2:16:06 PM
can I convert a newer car with efi or mpi to LP

James_82
5/20/2007 12:11:55 PM
I'm in need of one part for my carburetion system, to be fited onto a 1986 Ford pickup, I know what the part looks like, But I don't know what it is called, I know that my Air cleaner hose's attach to it and also my fuel, I was told that I could get the part at the Sooner supply in Oklahoma City, Ok. can you help me out. James] Mother Responds: I am sorry, we have no information on sources for parts.

bentley
5/17/2007 12:09:21 AM
My vehicle of choice is a carburetted dodge 3/4 ton,( i.e. pre fuel injected), the reason for that being that there are no rediculously complicated computer controls to mess with. I also don't bother with dual fuel. When properly tuned and maintained the truck will even start at 40 below but at that temp it's better to plug it in for a couple of hours.On average the motor lasts about 400000 miles if not driven too hard but if you have a heavy foot you will probably need a valve job because propane runs hot and the harder you drive, the hotter it gets. I transfer my propane kit from truck to truck and I've seen lots of propane stuff at my favorite local car crusher for very reasonable prices ($75.00 for everything) but avoid tanks with bubbly looking rust. Rusty tanks won't certify and of course without the certification sticker you won't be able to fill up. A new tank is in the $400 to 600 range. You should also change the timing and spark plugs but otherwise a propane conversion is actually quite easy and it makes that old truck much more affordable to drive. I should also add the cost of converting will vary according to your individual mechanical skills. Good luck and happy propaning!

Karen_52
5/14/2007 7:56:11 PM
Please let me know if this still allpies for todays cars" 1984 dodge van" Is there a phone # to get more info? I'm writting this for my boyfriend, and he has read the article, and is very intrested. Mother responds: This is an article from our magazine from 1973. I am sorry, we have no updated contact information.

William_48
4/3/2007 2:12:22 PM
John, if you look at the date of the article, you will notice it was written in 1972.

john_115
3/10/2007 4:01:48 PM
After reading around on porpane conversions and costs it is apparent to me that the costs quoted in this article are ridiculous???? WHEN could you get all this stuff for around $100 ??? Ten times that seems to be the reality for parts as i look around. This article sounds great but does not jibe with any other info I find. Please explain how this article stands???? Thanks.

geren
3/9/2007 2:58:58 PM
Hi, How old is this article on propane conversion? the quoted cost for doing it yourself(and the pix)seem outdated. Before I send off money to the guy for the kit...is he even still around; doing this? Update appreciated(his email if you have?) thanks much








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