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skruzich
#1 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2003 2:35:02 AM
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Andy, Dachshunds, or wiener dogs ;) I used to have one growing up as a kid. They are prone to this type of problem. What happens is they are so long, that there is a strain on their back as they get older, or if they happen to fall hard when their young it will injure their back. One thing i do and have done is take the dachshund to a Chiropractor. YES they work on your pets too. this will be a start. The next thing is to find out a way to exercise their back muscles. Now the cortisone shot is relieving the inflamation of the disk. What happens is that the disks bulge or slip and sometimes rupture. This is almost always because his back muscles are weak.
If you take him to a chiropractor they will realign the disks, and they will also give you a way to exercise him, or ideas. Get from the vet, a prescription of prednisone too, which you can give him a small dose as a temporary fix for his inflamation which will cause his pain.

He is lethargic because he is in pain. Now another thing too is that you can get a contraption or make one that will support his middle and allow him to drag his hind legs on wheels for a while which will stretch his spine a bit and help relieve the tension on his vertibraes. I don''t know how old he is, but this is typical in ages from 9 or 10 years - 18 or 19 years old. Yes they do live to be 20 years old at times. My childhood pet umlaut lived 18 years but i was lucky and he never had back problems.
One thing i think that prevented Umlaut from getting back problems was we taught him to sit up on his rear straight up and down and balance there to get treats. That helps with back muscles too.

Next thing to do is make sure that he does not have a belly. He should have a large chest, and a narrow waist. You should be able to feel the ribs with about 1/8" thick of skin over them. You should not see the ribs through the skin. That will help with his back. You ahve to watch dachshunds, as they will pig out on everything and they are notorious for loving sweets.

I would feed him a natural dogfood too. Flint river foods is one that i would feed. If not that, i would feed table scraps with about 1/2 -1 cup of dry food. Contrary to popular belief these days, table scraps are probably the best thing for dogs and cats. Just remember to limit breads and cereals and give all the veggies and meats you want. No potatos, tomatos, onion or any other nightshade plant. That will hurt the dogs and cats.
I found most pets love berries and that is a good substitute for sweets.

Massage his back muscles, along the spine. They need to be worked alot, and will ease his discomfort.

I hope this helps. But don''t laugh try the chiropractor. They will work on your pets and it will help the pets too.
Steve
andydufresne
#2 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2003 2:51:07 AM
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I''m not laughing. I will pass all this on to them. WE THINK he is about 9 years old. When he was found he was about to be shot by a neighbor that was tired of him getting into the garbage. He was taken to a vet and they were told he had been a well cared for dog, indoors most of the time and was about 5 years old.

He has an attraction to trucks (18 wheelers). They let him out at a gas station once and he tried to run to one. We think his previous owner was a driver that let him out to releive himself and forgot about him. He is not prone to running very far. HE DOES need to lose weight. Thanks for you help...I knew you would know some things to do.
skruzich
#3 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2003 3:01:49 AM
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Hey andy, thanks, if he is about 9, if yall start working with his back muscles you can reverse the disk problem. The weight will be a major factor also. He is having to support all that weight on a long spine which makes him sway backed.
Tell them to give him a hug for me. I am one who loves all the dogs :) Mine won''t let anyone else doctor them. hehe.
Steve
andydufresne
#4 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2003 3:31:24 AM
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Thanks I will.
cherterr
#5 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2003 8:42:08 PM
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NO PREDNISONE!!! I just read all the scoop on it!! It weakens your immune system (among other wonderful things!!) I was perscribed a trial perscription last week and did my homework!!! It''s not worth it and I was SUFFERING! Anyway...

Steve, have you ever studied different types of healing? i.e. sprirtual, magnetic, reiki, ''laying on of hands, etc. (I will send the little guy good vibes this week at bedtime!)

Oh, yeah.. and don''t forget massage therapy, and trigger point therapy. Please dont'' drug the little guy up too much over more than a day or two.
skruzich
#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:59:16 AM
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Yes i have and know full well the affects of prednisone. I also know when you set there and watch your pet suffer from a bulging disk and inflamed disks, that you don''t want them suffering anymore from it and prednosone will work. I fully believe in using all forms of medical care that are available, and i know for a fact that massage therapy, trigger point, laying of hands and anything else is not going to help a disk in a dachshund. I have had dachsies. I am a believer in holistic medicine, naturopathic medicine, and Western medicine. All of it works together. The predinsones side effects are far less worse than having a pet suffer the pain of slipped disks. I have a hound right here, that is suffering from cancer right now that i am treating holistically, but 3 years ago he suffered from depletion of cartledge in his hip joints. I tried natural, supplements, heat therapy, ect ect, to no avail. Prednisone for 6 months, stopped the irritation from the joints, and allowed the bones to heal to the point where the cartelage started growing back. He walks fine today.
There is a time and a place for steroids.
Among other things that prednisone does, reduces inflamation in joints, shrinks cancerous tumors, allows asthma sufferers to breath by opening up the air sacks in the lungs. The side effects, prolonged treatment with it can cause liver damage, muscle deteriation, bone mass loss.
Its not a evil drug, its actually a beneficial drug if used properly.
It all depends on what your treating for. I would not use prednisone to treat my hound right now with the cancer unless nothing else was working. I treat with various Homeopathic remedies, which work. Prednisone is what i would use last to stop tumor growth.
andydufresne
#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2003 7:00:53 AM
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Steve:

Thought I''d let you know...the dog is doing well. The steriods helped a lot and my mother has learned that my massaging his back she can get rid of the pain.

Thanks.
skruzich
#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 14, 2003 3:39:35 PM
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Thats great! Now she has to figure out how to exercise his back muscles. Thats goiing to be the tricky part. If she can do that, it will keep the disks in line. Did yall consider taking him to a chiropractor?
Just watch if they put him on maintenence prednisone, to make sure to go in and get his liver checked every couple months.

The massages, will help strengthen his back but I am thinking that he needs to be able to exercise those muscles. Might get him to digging something in the back yard. That will help.

Steve
cherterr
#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 15, 2003 4:56:58 PM
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Steve: agree w/you on doing whatever works to stop pain. Still, I think that we too often and too quickly rely on synthetic drugs entirely too much in this country.. I was still in shock from learning about Prednisone for myself!! (Perhaps a little overzealous in my post)

HOWEVER..... I am a Medical Massage Practitioner. You can BELIVE what you want about body work. I know what works. Unfortunatly, as I''m sure you know, with most ''holistic'' approaches... there are not too many ''quick fixes''. BUT as I''m sure you ALSO know.. WHEN the time comes.. the HEALING is real. Not as with many Western Med. drugs.. treating the SYMPTOMS without REAL Healing? Right?
skruzich
#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:01:04 PM
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Cherterr, I agree on the healing comes with work. I have however found that Many medicines that are available in todays medicines are very good medicines and would be foolhardy to ignore their uses.
Prednisone has many side effects like you said. I have used them as other members in my family as well as my pets. Longterm use is deadly. Shortterm use is a Godsend! But may i point out too that Jimson weed also is used medicinally, and has a myriad of side effects too, as well as death.
What we don''t do in society is investigate, research, study, or even take control of our own health care. I see all the time people at wally world buying tons of vitamins and suppliments and telling other people and me that oooohhh I just take this and this and this and double it and it keeps me healthy.
My personal response to that is Idiot! Too many people are sick starting from not taking care of themselves to begin with and when the body breaks down they go running to just any ole doctor out there. Then come the drugs to treat symptoms and then once they go away they are back on the path.
The drugs that are available today some are very nasty ones, like the statin drugs. Most however if used properly will do what they are supposed to.
Side effects are in everything in herbal, natural or even modern. For example, if you give raspberry tea, (harmless?) to a pregnant woman, it can induce cramps causing labor.
That is a side effect!
Massage therapy will work, as it relaxes the muscles and keeps them from pulling improperly. But when a spine is involved, Adjustment of the spine will do the same thing technically, just takes more to do. Plus gets at the source of the problem with the muscles. That is what I told Andy, not to laugh about taking the pooch to a chiroprator. That helps immensely.

You are right there is NO QUICK FIX! At all. Modern Medicine is getting worse and worse with each day as the drug manufacturers try to stick it to us with higher prices, and more dangerous drugs. Modern medicine as we know it today cannot exist with a healthy population. If it were to ever merge with Holistic medicine, then we would truely have a excellent system.

Prednisone is something that isn''t duplicated in natural remedies and therapies. The Only thing i have found that can produce something like it is, Bee venom. It causes the body to produce Cortal-Steroids. But that is a rather very painful way of treating something. Imagine a beesting pain, and think how small a dose is administered in that. Then imagine getting 20 times the dosage in a treatment. OUCH!

There are so many different ways of healing that its hard to encompass them all. The only thing we can really do is to research what we can, try them and use what works.

Steve

andydufresne
#11 Posted : Wednesday, October 15, 2003 6:01:04 PM
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I am posting this here hoping you can help me and some others.

My mother and father have a weiner dog. He got lethargic and seemed to be hurting. Vet diagnosed some problem with his spine. Said that surgery was a thousand or more and he didn't even do it. It would have to be done by a specialist. Gave him a cortizone shot and some pain killers. The dog is doing marvelously now. Up and around and eating just a day after the cortizone.

Have you heard of a problem like this before and do you know any natural way to help?

TIA
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