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skruzich
#61 Posted : Sunday, October 30, 2005 12:42:18 AM
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lemaverick, you can''t express a opinion that isn''t approved by the DU moderators. been there done that, been banned 18 times now. And all dihas to do is go there and see the communist/socialist agendas pushed there. At least HT doesn''t ban you for disagreeing!
Also, go back to election time, there were more hate/kill the president messages on that site, than you could shake a stick at!
Amos
#62 Posted : Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:01:49 PM
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Just in case anyone is looking for a last minute ''stocking stuffer'', I have six left of the last edition of the Librum DVD ready to go! No, the new edition is not released yet. And with each DVD is three registration vouchers.

Sarah
ajortolani
#63 Posted : Sunday, November 27, 2005 6:58:23 PM
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LOL, Sarah, how very "english" of you!! Stocking stuffer''s indeed!?? LOL
Amos
#64 Posted : Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:34:08 AM
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Glad you got a laugh, CMate.

Only two left...

Sarah
Amos
#65 Posted : Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10:07 PM
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We are moving. The DNS is not propogated yet, so please use the direct ip link.

http://66.49.174.38/

The old host died, and I was not available to do anything about it.
Nor will the old ''thelitterbox.org'' cross link be functionalble any more.

Our new host should fit us nicely, judging from our old useage logs. But at Majere''s suggestion, we are taking the directly downloadable ebooks offline. Not enough demand. And they could kill our bandwidth!

Now, could somebody clue me in on search engines? Sheesh...

Sarah
skruzich
#66 Posted : Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:44:10 AM
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search engines? what are you having problems with.
Amos
#67 Posted : Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:11:44 PM
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Steve,

I am rambling a bit here, as it is all spinning in my head and not settling very well.

What I am having problems with is direction on where to go with the Librum site.

I did ask Majere. His reply was voicemailed back. In a Darth Vader imitation. ''Use the Logs, Sarah''. Sometimes I could just scream at him!

What I really need is computer savvy people, a forum of them, to let me bounce questions and ideas off of, as I am still very much a newbe at this. I can not use my own people for obvious reasons.

For example, when I looked at the old logs, I decided to drop the online direct downloadable ebooks. There were only 233 downloads. Seven registrations. That took 22% of the bandwidth used. Did not even pay the bandwidth. And thank you again for your help in those uploads. Yes, the new host is much nicer on uploads!

And when I look at the access''s of some of the online works, some are so dead! And not the ones I would have thought would be.

So, should I reload the ''dead'' ones?

Or, should I try to drum up linkage useage via search engines? From my experiences with search engines, I am much dissapointed. They seem to only hit the top index file, follow it a little bit and then stop. If I could seed the engines by online ''work'', that would help. But not getting anywhere.

Or, should I do as Amos has suggested, create ''Archive'' ebooks, which would include several works, works not on the site any more, and have them available at our very reasonable prices. Oh, keep them in the master indexes, but not reload the ''dead'' works. The CDs and DVDs sell well, but not registrations. People just do not understand the registration system. So prekeyed archived? That would take a bit of work to do, as the ebook software does not ''bridge'' directories.

Another irksome issue is that there are a lot of hosts out there that say ''unlimited bandwith and storage'', until one reads the terms. And in my search, I looked at over forty hosts, not one would allow me to send a dvd or series of cds to quick load the site.

Fuzzit suggested rebuilding the BBS again. The old hardware and software is still available. The issue is that the best bandwidth I could get would be 128k. The days of ''shotgunning'' 56k modems, via a Blackboard-8 card, as Majere did, are gone. Oh, I have the modems, and the lines, but nobody supports ''shotgun'' (shared static ip) anymore.

128k is not good enough. I glanced at requested prices for co-location, they are way out of our budget.

Let me work on it, but any suggestions would be welcomed.

Sarah
skruzich
#68 Posted : Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:51:21 PM
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Hi Sarah,
quote:
Originally posted by librum

Steve,

I am rambling a bit here, as it is all spinning in my head and not settling very well.


Reminds me of a song ramblin man, i guess your the ramblin woman! :D


quote:
What I am having problems with is direction on where to go with the Librum site.

I did ask Majere. His reply was voicemailed back. In a Darth Vader imitation. ''Use the Logs, Sarah''. Sometimes I could just scream at him!


The logs will guide you Sarah! Hehe, i am getting as bad as Majere!
Logs are good for determining your most popular item, and whether or not it is worth the cost of the bandwidth.

quote:
What I really need is computer savvy people, a forum of them, to let me bounce questions and ideas of you f, as I am still very much a newbe at this. I can not use my own people for obvious reasons.


Feel free to ask me, or login to everything-diy.org and ask Kat or several other people in the site. There are quite a few computer savvy people there.

quote:
For example, when I looked at the old logs, I decided to drop the online direct downloadable ebooks. There were only 233 downloads. Seven registrations. That took 22% of the bandwidth used. Did not even pay the bandwidth. And thank you again for your help in those uploads. Yes, the new host is much nicer on uploads!


wow you need unlimited bandwidth!

quote:
And when I look at the access''s of some of the online works, some are so dead! And not the ones I would have thought would be.


Ok, you need logs for at least 2 - 3 years. That will give you a better view on the works. You see bbs''s, or messageboards, or websites go in cycles. Trust me. I have two 1/2 years logs on my site.
Heres a example of my logs
[url]http://64.246.44.106:2082/tmp/everyth/webalizer/index.html[/url]

quote:
So, should I reload the ''dead'' ones?


I am unsure of what you mean by dead ones.

quote:
Or, should I try to drum up linkage useage via search engines?


YES! Use the search engine submission. that will get you more and more exposure. The main thing is keywords. You need to build a metatag with keywords. For example dicks could represent formulas and recipes. There are two keywords there. The cookbooks titles can be used as keywords.
DO NOT go to google and try to push through. Ask Kat how to get the google bot to surf your site. You have to let them come to you
or you will get banned from their submission engine.

quote:
From my experiences with search engines, I am much dissapointed. They seem to only hit the top index file, follow it a little bit and then stop. If I could seed the engines by online ''work'', that would help. But not getting anywhere.


Seeding the engines requires patience. Google takes something like 2 -5 months to get their engines to catalogue your site. ONce in there, it will get displayed. I remember last year, november, google finally sent a bot to my site, and we went from 65 users to over 3000 users in 1 year.
The main thing is to sit down and think and create a keywords list that is unique and covers most if not all of the books you have. Those words are what the search engines are going to display your link on.


quote:
Or, should I do as Amos has suggested, create ''Archive'' ebooks, which would include several works, works not on the site any more, and have them available at our very reasonable prices. Oh, keep them in the master indexes, but not reload the ''dead'' works. The CDs and DVDs sell well, but not registrations. People just do not understand the registration system. So prekeyed archived? That would take a bit of work to do, as the ebook software does not ''bridge'' directories.


You know something Amos might be right. Why not do both.
IF your selling cd''s and dvd''s, are you making money? If not consider this, give one ebook on the CD and DVD in that price and have the rest restricted. I don''t know the solution. One idea i have had is why not offer them on Ebay if your not already, and how about amazon. Your considered as a publisher, you should be able to get listed with amazon.
Prekeyed archives are a good idea. I honestly think people would rather pay for one software title than a whole dvd or cd full of titles. IBM and other companies used to try that years ago with OS/2 software, they loaded everything on one cd and had it keyed so you couldn''t access it until you enter the key. The idea failed miserably. People however will pay for one title and crazy as it seems, they will pay just as much for 1 title as a dvd with all of them on it.

quote:
Another irksome issue is that there are a lot of hosts out there that say ''unlimited bandwith and storage'', until one reads the terms. And in my search, I looked at over forty hosts, not one would allow me to send a dvd or series of cds to quick load the site.


What about setting up DSL in your librum? is it available?
IF not, i might have a idea for you. I will email it to you. I am quite disgusted with hosting sites. They are so unreliable.


quote:
Fuzzit suggested rebuilding the BBS again. The old hardware and software is still available. The issue is that the best bandwidth I could get would be 128k. The days of ''shotgunning'' 56k modems, via a Blackboard-8 card, as Majere did, are gone. Oh, I have the modems, and the lines, but nobody supports ''shotgun'' (shared static ip) anymore.


Fuzzit is quite right it would be a good idea, only problem is that you would need the bbs software to be able to access internet through a interface. I don''t know what version Majere used last.
You used to be able to bind multiple modems together to create a large pipeline. I don''t know if that is possible anymore, but if it is, its still cheaper to use dsl and you get much more bandwidth when you do that.

quote:
128k is not good enough. I glanced at requested prices for co-location, they are way out of our budget.


Again let me email you my idea.

Amos
#69 Posted : Thursday, December 29, 2005 6:27:58 PM
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>>What I really need is computer savvy people, a forum of them, to let me bounce questions and ideas of you f, as I am still very much a newbe at this. I can not use my own people for obvious reasons.
>Feel free to ask me, or login to everything-diy.org and ask Kat or several other people in the site. There are quite a few computer savvy people there.

Let me learn more before I start asking worse-than-stupid questions.

>>For example, when I looked at the old logs, I decided to drop the online direct downloadable ebooks. There were only 233 downloads. Seven registrations. That took 22% of the bandwidth used. Did not even pay the bandwidth. And thank you again for your help in those uploads. Yes, the new host is much nicer on uploads!
>wow you need unlimited bandwidth!

We HAD it! Now don''t, as I had to decide to take uptime over unlimited.

>Heres a example of my logs
[url]http://64.246.44.106:2082/tmp/everyth/webalizer/index.html[/url]

This takes me to a log-in page. Majere knows the activity over there, and asks what your worst monthly bandwidth useage was to make a guestimate of our needs.

>YES! Use the search engine submission. that will get you more and more exposure. The main thing is keywords. You need to build a metatag with keywords. For example dicks could represent formulas and recipes. There are two keywords there. The cookbooks titles can be used as keywords.

I need to learn more first. But I see the google bot in the new sites logs. YaHoo also. But now the site is so barren.

Perhaps keywords is part of my problem. Much of our material does not fit any standard catagory. Perhaps we can start a group brainstorm on such keywords per work?

What I really need to figure is how to submit, separately, EACH work.

>You know something Amos might be right. Why not do both.
IF your selling cd''s and dvd''s, are you making money? If not consider this, give one ebook on the CD and DVD in that price and have the rest restricted. I don''t know the solution. One idea i have had is why not offer them on Ebay if your not already, and how about amazon. Your considered as a publisher, you should be able to get listed with amazon.

The cds were designed to be a courtesy, not a money maker.

Archve cds will require rebuilding the ebooks, with a lot of hand keying. I would prefer to avoid that, if I can. It also means I would have to do a burn for each unique customer. Being able to simply grab them off shelf is nice!

Wait, maybe not. Let me think some on those logistics.

>Prekeyed archives are a good idea. I honestly think people would rather pay for one software title than a whole dvd or cd full of titles. IBM and other companies used to try that years ago with OS/2 software, they loaded everything on one cd and had it keyed so you couldn''t access it until you enter the key. The idea failed miserably. People however will pay for one title and crazy as it seems, they will pay just as much for 1 title as a dvd with all of them on it.

I think you may be right on that. Perhaps toss the grab bags, and offer only individual ebooks on CD. But the ''customs'' never sold.

I have not sold a single item on eBay. I think it may be a catagories and keywords problem.

Amazon will not allow you to sell ebooks, without also selling hard copy.

>>Another irksome issue is that there are a lot of hosts out there that say ''unlimited bandwith and storage'', until one reads the terms. And in my search, I looked at over forty hosts, not one would allow me to send a dvd or series of cds to quick load the site.
>What about setting up DSL in your librum? is it available?
IF not, i might have a idea for you. I will email it to you. I am quite disgusted with hosting sites. They are so unreliable.

No, not possible. I am not understanding the answer I keep getting, that the DMS is not capable. Besides, too far away.

>Fuzzit is quite right it would be a good idea, only problem is that you would need the bbs software to be able to access internet through a interface. I don''t know what version Majere used last.

BBBS. I have those hard drives. But I don''t need all the functions of a BBS. The site content does not vary. Once uploaded, it does not change.

>You used to be able to bind multiple modems together to create a large pipeline. I don''t know if that is possible anymore, but if it is, its still cheaper to use dsl and you get much more bandwidth when you do that.

That is called shotgunning. I am told not possible here.

>>128k is not good enough. I glanced at requested prices for co-location, they are way out of our budget.
>Again let me email you my idea.

Not that much $ in budget. Sorry.

And also from the email, Dicks and the Patriot Act is not a problem. New host is in Canada.

Sarah
sandra902
#70 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2005 3:35:45 AM
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miss sarah i cannot contribute much to your discussion, but i can remark on how pleasing your signature is! lyrical, almost poetic. many blessings to you and your home.
Amos
#71 Posted : Friday, December 30, 2005 9:24:16 PM
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Sandra,

I disagree. I need input from all folks who have/do/will use the Librum site. Sure, there are power users, like Steve, but I also need input from the ''occasional'' users.

Already I have marked two works not to be reloaded. Thanks to input from users and the logs.

Poetic? It is a toungue twister!

And thank you.

Sarah
Amos
#72 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:54:09 PM
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*bump*

(quiet post). Foxfire #1 thru #6. Shhhhh....

Sarah
majere
#73 Posted : Sunday, March 12, 2006 11:17:00 PM
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Goodwife Merchante

Am I to infer that the FF project has been shelved? No rework?

Majere
Amos
#74 Posted : Monday, June 12, 2006 2:59:22 AM
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It has been a long time since I posted any updates here in this thread.

To our users, thank you for the many emails and messages over the bandwidth thieving problems, and for scout reports. I think we have that under control now. Alas, we did have to replace some content with eBooks.

I ended up with some egg on my face, I did not know you could direct link out a page from a pdf on another site.

To our REGISTERED ebook users, I just finished mailing out the latest updates. If I missed you, let me know.

To our shareware ebook users, be advised that I can no longer register the older, pre V3, versions. A new version will be sent to anyone who attempts to register an older one. It is my fault, I lost the password lists and getting teased about it a lot!

We have MANY site material updates, and a lot more to come. Eleven new works since Febuary.

The ''Grabbag'' shareware CDs and DVD are back.

The Mother Earth News section has been completely taken down. Mother''s CDs and searchable online archive wins. Way to go, Mother! Discussion is underway if we should release the old three minate infomercials that we have collected on a DVD. They are much too large to be uploaded to site. Mother does have a copy.

Majere does not know it yet, but we might have a ''bead'' on the missing MacKenzie''s 1000. I am keeping an eye on the mail now. He has been looking for that one for some years to complete that collection.

To the DIY types, several Audel''s are being considered. One is up. Audel''s Masons and Builders Guides #1 is up. Also, several ''Hasluck'' works have been uploaded, and a lot on the shelf for the students to select from.

That''s it for the update, Thanks!

Sarah

Sarah/Librum
#75 Posted : Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:06:59 PM
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I found it!  Bump!
Farside
#76 Posted : Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:11:27 AM
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Bump...

 

Sarah/Librum
#77 Posted : Monday, April 21, 2008 4:21:55 PM
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Thank you Farside!

NOW  I CAN POST UPDATES AGAIN!

 

First update, we have brought back our DVD#1, and two to three are mailing out each day.  It is the V5 edition of the ebook software.  This is the same v4 editions as available on site with the in-ebook registraton.  Basically everything that is V5 is on these.  Avail via eBay or direct mail.

Second update.  The V6/7 work is going well.  V6/7 are the new trial/registered 'FlipAlbum' format we are experimenting with.  Some of the V4/5 are being converted.

Third update.  DVD#2, Audels Carpenters and Builders Guides (all four volume set) are converted to V7.  We are getting rave reviews at the ability to 'blow up' the graphics.  The D.C. Carpenters Union just ordered 500.  Thier masters wanted them for reference. 

Fourth update.  DVD#3. Audels Gardeners and Growers Guides (all four volume set) is to be converted to V7.  No ETA yet.  Available in V5.  Very popular.

Fifth update. DVD#4.  The PDF collection has been discontinued.  eBay piracy.

Sixth update. DVD#5. Foxfire #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, and JONA #0, #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7 compilation nearing completion.  #6 is the hold out.  JONA: Journal of the New Alchemists (great Mother like flavor)

Seventh update. The ICS Research project is ongoing.  A look through the incomplete index will give anyone a chance to see the beauty of these!  My own little one got me with a 'mommy' question.  Mensuration?  Great for any handy man, or homeschooling mom.

I must get back to work.  I have more DVD#1s to label.

 

Sarah

of the Librum 

Sarah/Librum
#78 Posted : Tuesday, April 22, 2008 11:08:55 AM
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DVD#5 just went out the door.  It's on eBay folks!
Farside
#79 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:15:53 AM
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Where on ebay are we suppose to be looking?

 

Sarah/Librum
#80 Posted : Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:15:01 AM
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The Librum eBay store, of course.  (smiling) 

It is linked off the Librums webpage at http://www.librum.us

Umm...  Lets see if I can cut/paste a direct link...

http://stores.ebay.com/The-Librum

Sarah
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