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John Edward Mercier
#1 Posted : Friday, June 13, 2008 2:45:18 PM
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You don't need to answer. Though you might not like the outcome.

 

Gods green earth
#2 Posted : Friday, June 13, 2008 5:34:27 PM
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I told this friend of mine, Yeah I've been pulled over a time for something I thought was questionable, but I told him I was cool to the cop and not an a**hole and the cop was cool too  and that was that.

My friend said I've been pulled over for a stupid reason and the cops always hassled me. He said I did'nt say anything wrong to him.

I told my friend your an a**hole with an attitude you don't have to say anything! Cops pick up on that  like anybody else would, so you just set yourself up.

 Cops look for people like him.

Shaun
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2008 3:11:48 AM
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In the for what it's worth department... I work in EMS as a paramedic.  Yes, cops can be jerks, just like anyone else, it's called being human.

But I'm always amazed (as we are often at the same call) how people think it's perfectly fine to be rude and uncooperative with the officers.  I've seen their job up close and I don't want it!  (Of course, they don't want mine either LOL) 

It's always in your own best interest to be nice to a cop.  Nearly every vehicle and person on the road has something a cop can write a ticket over if he or she looks hard enough.  Why give them a reason to look?  I've seen lots of folks who quite honestly could have been hauled off to jail under the law, who have gotten a stern warning and that's it because they were treated with respect. 

Does getting pulled over make you mad?  Probably.  Is it the cops fault because he's doing his job?  Nope.  They're just out there looking for the people who are making your and my world a little more dangerous.  If you ever sat in dispatch for awhile you'd be amazed at how many people pulled over for a traffic stop have a warrant out for their arrest.  The cops figure if you're breaking a little law, you may have broken a big one.  May sound hokey, but it's true. 

StreetLegal
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:31:10 PM
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I don't think it's being rude to refuse to answer questions that are specifically designed to manipulate one into incriminating himself.  The questions they ask capitolize on the good manners and belief system you were taught as a child.  But, as with all things, some judgement needs to come into play.

Under the guise of protecting the public, this country is blindly crashing head-long into a police state - the sooner we recognize that, the better.


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Hoop
#5 Posted : Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:22:47 AM
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Tell the cops you're not saying a word next time they pull you over. A man of strong ideals such as yourself should consider no action but this.  Stick to your beliefs.

 

Let us know how things work out.  I'm pulling for you. 

 

Of course, you may want to consider another plan of action.  I find that obeying the laws of the land and having legal equipment on my vehicles gives the cops no reason to pull you over.  Try it sometime.  It truly drives the cops crazy.

crwmdpmr
#6 Posted : Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:13:49 PM
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The police came to our house last week and my father law who does not speak English let them in. They told us that our burglar alarm was going off, we told them that we do not have a burglar alarm. They then asked to see our I.D.s and then  informed us that we were not the owners our house and would have to step out on the lawn until the rightful owner was contacted. We refused, in the mean time one of the police men who was walking around the property realised that the alarm they were hearing was not coming from our house.

Turns out they were supposed to be at the house directly behind ours which has the same address number but opn a different street.

Farside
#7 Posted : Friday, January 09, 2009 2:57:32 PM
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Hmmmm, around here tickets for inop lights (and other equipment) can be turned in with proof the inoperative equipment has been repaired; and usually with no fines attached.  I recently got a ticket for having a license plate cover on that was "too dark" which made the plate harder to read at shorter distances than normal.  The state trooper and I were polite to each other during the stop.  I stopped by my town's police station the next day, showed an on-duty officer the cover had been removed and he signed the ticket reflecting a corrective action was made.  Then, I mailed the signed ticket back to the state - situation over, no fine.

 

Like Hoop, I wish you luck too.  And, please keep us updated. 

jd
#8 Posted : Friday, January 09, 2009 6:20:18 PM
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I consider Street to be a bit more extreme than me on most things.  Not that I disagree so such as I just don't feel as strongly.  But, in this case, I agree and I likely feel more strongly.  I think police are a waste of time and money, an infringement on rights, tools of the system, non-thinking robots with way too much power, dangerous, bigoted and primarily occupied with all the wrong things.  I have no respect for the uniform altho I have respect for young cops - I know they go in trying to do good.  I have little respect for old ones (even the sane ones) because they sold out and sold out so many times, they are way overdrawn on the morality account. 
They are a waste of time and money because each one costs about $250K to put on the road (cars, equipment, admin, etc).  They check seat belts.  Puleez!  And for what?  So that the state can charge you more money with a ticket?  If they really cared about you, they'd pull you over and install a belt!  They infringe on your rights by way of 'reasonable cause' and they don't have any by reasonable standards.  OK, a smoking gun, maybe.  But a bad attitude?  Puleez.  That person has a tough enough life as it is.  Tools of the system?  Look how many cops/police action have shot and killed innocents from Kent State to our taser-happy freaks up here who killed some poor Polish-speaking slob who was confused in an airport.  These guys are nuts!  My mother could have calmed that guy down and she doesn't speak Polish.  Non-thinking robots - too many examples.  The best: one idiot-in-uniform was called out here for some reason and came up to the beach where I live and asked, "What island am I looking at?" He was in a $300,000 boat loaded with GPS, radar, and God-knows-what-all and armed to the teeth including battle gear and marine safety gear.  Didn't have clue as to where he was and didn't know a thing about his equipment.  Imbecile.  And it is this same doofus who once a year (when he wants a nice boat ride) goes out and stops people in their little boats for safety checks!
Homeland Security?  A joke!  Police - not even funny.  Just a stupid waste of probably good people.  If I had my way, all police would be retired grandmothers..........why?  Because who needs a testosterone-pumped 6-footer with no life experience asking me questions about the guy who robbed me?  Anyone can ask those questions. 
And what about the robbery reports?  Useless except for controlling insurance claims.
C'mon guys, give it up..............the cop system doesn't work.  Hasn't for years.  Decades.  The big criminals worked at Enron.
Sheesh, JD, you bitter?  Nope.  Not a bit.  They never pull me over and I have never been falsely arrested.  But I have seen how useless they are so many times when I worked in the bad part of town that I have no faith whatsoever.  And what faith am I supposed to have?  that they are stopping drug dealers?  Nope.  That they catch murderers?  Nope.  That they find stolen goods, lost children, white collar criminals?  Nope, nope and more nope.  That they can hassle a guy for a tail light broken?  Yup.  Takes two 250 pound cops earning $60,000 each driving a $50,000 car with a back-up system that includes staff, computers buildings and 'specialists' to check taillights? 
Stupid in the extreme.    
StreetLegal
#9 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2009 3:23:55 AM
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jd:  LMAO!

crwmdpmr:  good thing those cops weren't responding to a shooting call or (heaven forbid) - an "officer down" - you might be history right now.  Good to see you posting again - hope all is well with you and yours.

My original post recommended two videos.  If you watch those, you'll simply have a better idea of when to speak and when not to.

How can cops expect to garner respect when they do the strong-arm, revenue-oriented b-s that they do (seatbelts, for example)?  Trying to serve two masters will never, ever work.


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Farside
#10 Posted : Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:24:28 PM
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I don't know guys, it seems to me ya'll oughta be complaining about the agencies that created the bs laws; the police are only enforcers.  Your city, county, state, and federal officials are the true villians here. 

 

StreetLegal
#11 Posted : Monday, January 12, 2009 7:48:57 PM
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Farside, you are probably right (about who to complain to). 

But if I hear one more cop say "I don't make the laws - I'm only doing my job", I'm gonna' puke...


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Frosty
#12 Posted : Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:57:19 AM
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The cops around here are great, we have more of a problem with judges letting repeat offenders go with just a slap on the wrist. 

I got pulled over once for going 7 mph over the speed limit, I had forgotten that the vehicle that I was driving had slightly over-sized tires (not huge, just bigger than stock).  The cop approached and told me why he pulled me over and took my license and registration back to his car.  I was polite and friendly and so was he.  When he came back with my license and reg, he told me that he was just giving me a warning.  I asked him if he would mind getting up to 70 mph (the speed limit) when he got back on the road and holding it there so that I could tail him and check my speedometer to be able to adjust for tire size.  He told me that when he got to 70, he would flash his lights (which he did and all of the cars around us suddenly slowed down ).  A few miles down the road I turned off and he kept going. 

The very next day, I was behind a cop in a local small town and I looked down to see my speedometer was at 25 mph (the speed limit) and the cop was pulling ahead.  We both stopped at a small store in the town, so I asked him if he was exceeding the speed limit.  He looked at me like he just ate something very sour and denied it.  I went home and told DH (who was driving that vehicle to work daily) that he might want to watch his speed in that town for a while, the cop would probably be watching for it.   

adirondackgardener
#13 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:34:53 AM
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Frosty wrote: 

>The very next day, I was behind a cop in a local small town and I looked down to see my speedometer was at 25 mph (the speed limit) and the cop was pulling ahead.  We both stopped at a small store in the town, so I asked him if he was exceeding the speed limit.  He looked at me like he just ate something very sour and denied it.  I went home and told DH (who was driving that vehicle to work daily) that he might want to watch his speed in that town for a while, the cop would probably be watching for it.   

 

Frosty, I think I was driving behind you recently. The car in front of me had a bumper sticker that says "BAD COP!! NO DONUT!!!

That was you, wasn't it?

Wayne
BTW, how are the chickens?

 

Frosty
#14 Posted : Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:01:01 AM
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How are the chickens?  Hmmm... probably wishing that I would send them south.  Girls quit laying a few weeks ago when it hit -25(F), this -34 stuff isn't encouraging them to start again.  A few frost bit combs, and something that I never saw before... frost bite on the wattles?  That was a first... how are you?  Hopefully staying warm?
Here by the Owl
#15 Posted : Monday, February 16, 2009 5:01:17 AM
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jd wrote:
I consider Street to be a bit more extreme than me on most things.  Not that I disagree so such as I just don't feel as strongly.  But, in this case, I agree and I likely feel more strongly.  I think police are a waste of time and money, an infringement on rights, tools of the system, non-thinking robots with way too much power, dangerous, bigoted and primarily occupied with all the wrong things.  I have no respect for the uniform altho I have respect for young cops - I know they go in trying to do good.  I have little respect for old ones (even the sane ones) because they sold out and sold out so many times, they are way overdrawn on the morality account. 
They are a waste of time and money because each one costs about $250K to put on the road (cars, equipment, admin, etc).  They check seat belts.  Puleez!  And for what?  So that the state can charge you more money with a ticket?  If they really cared about you, they'd pull you over and install a belt!  They infringe on your rights by way of 'reasonable cause' and they don't have any by reasonable standards.  OK, a smoking gun, maybe.  But a bad attitude?  Puleez.  That person has a tough enough life as it is.  Tools of the system?  Look how many cops/police action have shot and killed innocents from Kent State to our taser-happy freaks up here who killed some poor Polish-speaking slob who was confused in an airport.  These guys are nuts!  My mother could have calmed that guy down and she doesn't speak Polish.  Non-thinking robots - too many examples.  The best: one idiot-in-uniform was called out here for some reason and came up to the beach where I live and asked, "What island am I looking at?" He was in a $300,000 boat loaded with GPS, radar, and God-knows-what-all and armed to the teeth including battle gear and marine safety gear.  Didn't have clue as to where he was and didn't know a thing about his equipment.  Imbecile.  And it is this same doofus who once a year (when he wants a nice boat ride) goes out and stops people in their little boats for safety checks!
Homeland Security?  A joke!  Police - not even funny.  Just a stupid waste of probably good people.  If I had my way, all police would be retired grandmothers..........why?  Because who needs a testosterone-pumped 6-footer with no life experience asking me questions about the guy who robbed me?  Anyone can ask those questions. 
And what about the robbery reports?  Useless except for controlling insurance claims.
C'mon guys, give it up..............the cop system doesn't work.  Hasn't for years.  Decades.  The big criminals worked at Enron.
Sheesh, JD, you bitter?  Nope.  Not a bit.  They never pull me over and I have never been falsely arrested.  But I have seen how useless they are so many times when I worked in the bad part of town that I have no faith whatsoever.  And what faith am I supposed to have?  that they are stopping drug dealers?  Nope.  That they catch murderers?  Nope.  That they find stolen goods, lost children, white collar criminals?  Nope, nope and more nope.  That they can hassle a guy for a tail light broken?  Yup.  Takes two 250 pound cops earning $60,000 each driving a $50,000 car with a back-up system that includes staff, computers buildings and 'specialists' to check taillights? 
Stupid in the extreme.    

I'm sure you'll be singing that same song when a loved one gets raped and murdered...
jd
#16 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2009 12:42:35 AM
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Why would I change my tune if a loved one was raped or murdered?  Wouldn't my point be even more poignant since the presence of the police did not deter the crime?  If someone is victimized, what good does it do them that the perp gets caught?  They are still victimized. 

"They get revenge!"

Well, first off, revenge is never sweet.  Plus it rarely happens.  Much better to never have the crime happen in the first place and, quite frankly, the police are NEVER there to stop something from happening.  In fact, they often say when someone is fearful or threatened, "Sorry, nothing we can do until the guy does the crime." A lot of women have taken a lot of abuse from guys they knew were going after them and the police ignored the information until she was a bona fide victim. 

I have even heard some stupid badges telling a victim that they shouldn't have been in that part of town!  I used to run a medical clinic in Vancouver's bad neighbourhood and it was also two blocks away from the main HUGE cop shop.  If we had a problem in the clinic, we had to defend ourselves - they wouldn't come because ít's a bad part of town. 

Our extra special armed ones just murdered (yes, murdered) some poor slob who couldn't speak English and was agitated at the airport after missing his ride.  5 tasers to the guy.  Dead.  Four cops.  No resistance from him just misunderstanding their instructions to GET ON THE FLOOR!  Zap!

My guess: you (Hereby) are either young or related to a cop.  Either way, I am sorry.  It's not  the people, it's the institution.  It is not a humane institution.  It is a property protection institution and a revenue source.  Open you eyes and take Streets advice: don't cooperate with them - they are too stupid to be trusted. 

 

Here by the Owl
#17 Posted : Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:31:56 AM
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JD, I'm not trying to bust your chops here. So what's the answer in your opinion? It sounds to me like a wild west free for all. Do away with the police and fend for yourself like you had to do down at the clinic? In that case would you support my carrying a firearm with me for protection? I agree that the cops don't prevent crime they simply show up after the fact to fill out paperwork. By the way, this is all friendly, I'm not trying to be mean spirited about this I just don't understand where your coming from.
jd
#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:21:31 PM
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I'm friendly.  Honest.  A real sweetheart if you must know.  I just write tough, that's all.  Especially when it's a debate.  And this is for me.  But, to be more precise: the institution of the 'police' has to change.  It is out dated. 

Firstly, REAL crime should be the police departments business, not tail lights, speeding, parking, seatbelts and other social faux pas.  If we must police tail lights to prevent chaos and mayhem, then leave that job to retirees, like commisionairs.  Real tough and real smart men and women should spend their time on real bad guys, not harassing soccer moms hurrying to the store.  And most of the real bad guys operate with suits.  See Enron, Citybank, etc. 

Secondly, yes, I do support your right to carry a weapon.  That is hard for me to do since we live in Canada and 99.999999999999% of the time it would never be necessary but not so much in the US.  Plus, we are getting a bit trigger-happy up here, too.  Still, the bottom line is that bad guys don't obey the rules so you have to be ready should the situation arise.  You have no one to count on but yourself in those dangerous seconds during which a violent crime is committed.  Frankly, limiting handguns to .22's might do the job.  Anyone but a drug-crazed maniac does a double think when experiencing the deep sting of a .22.

The basic argument is this (same as for the education, health and social security systems) old institutions don't work.  What was cutting edge 75 years ago fails us today.  It's no one's fault except those without imagination and those who don't tell the truth.  It is time for an overhaul of all the institutions - they don't work.  And the worst is the police.

And, by the way, what nut case decided that everyone had to 'get down on the ground' and then receive the weight of a hippo on the back of his neck?  What an insane way to gain cooperation, respect and compliance. 

C'mon, Hereby, surely you agree?
JeremyAdam
#19 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:12:11 AM
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The problem is that the legal system is for revenue generation. The police should have thier powers stripped to only the most bare essentials. Violent crimes, theft, property damage. I would go so far as saying vehicle enforcement on a small scale. But eliminate fines. Breaking a law should not generate revenue for the county or city. That basically makes cops commision. If you speed you should get a point on your license. If your license gets suspended, too bad for you. Don't speed. If you don't have police pulling you over for nonsense that would free up alot of them to do other stuff. Or better yet, for them to get jobs that aren't paid for by me. I personally don't like cops professionally. I do however like most of them that I meet personally. If it weren't for the illegality of one of my personal decissions however I would probably see them in a different light. Either way as a whole I find them to be power hungry abusers that need to be help much more accountable for thier actions.

StreetLegal
#20 Posted : Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:12:11 AM
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I, for one, am sick of the cops and the whole rotten, stinkin' legal and judicial system.  I'm sick of these bas*ards pulling me over for any little infraction, such as a license plate light not working, or (heaven forbid) I may not be wearing my seat belt! 

And to renew my CDL, I have to now provide an original birth certificate, and a social security card!  I haven't had a ss card since it got washed and dried forty years ago.

Here's two interesting videos.  The first is a law professor talking about the 5th Amendment; the second is corroboration by a former police officer.

These guys clearly explain how the police will use a person's proclivity to talk to obtain admission of guilt and to trap you into lying to an investigator.  In the future, when I get stopped by a cop, I am going to ask the cop a yes or no question:  "am I required by law to answer your questions?" 

I suspect a cop has no legal authority to demand you answer anything.

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Law proffessor:  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4097602514885833865&hl=en

Former cop: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6014022229458915912&q=&hl=en


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