THE PLOWBOY INTERVIEW BILL MOLLISON
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PLOWBOY: Do you think there's an optimum
number of members, then, for the ideal community?
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MOLLISON: That's an interesting question,
and the answer depends on what the function of a particular
community is. I would suggest that we begin in tiny groups
of five or six . . . but then these little units would
later need to coalesce into groups of 30 or so and make a
settlement. Finally, you'd need to form a larger tribe of
about 200, to insure enough genetic diversity for the
survival of the race.
So what I'm doing while I'm traveling on this tour is
setting up connections. I hope to leave a string of new
permaculture groups behind me as I go. The associations are
actually self-forming — all I do is introduce the
ideas and get them started — and self-run: There's no
central secretariat or anything like that. What we want is
not a bureaucracy, but an interconnected system of
functional links . . . such as seed exchanges and
reciprocal resource distributions. The associations can
operate very efficiently on their own. In fact, I don't
even know what most of them are doing . . . which is fine,
as long as they're out there putting things right.
PLOWBOY: Is Tagari open to new members?
MOLLISON: Oh, sure. We'll accept up to 30
members at each location within the community . . . but we
plan to stop expansion altogether at a total size limit of
about 200 people. So it is open — for a finite period
— at several locations. We take in some seasonal
workers, as well. And we do have lots of interesting work
going on. Actually, functions are split within the
community: Some of us work in publishing the permaculture
books, others work in information dispersal, and I work
— along with several others — in design and
networking. In addition, a number of us are involved in
setting up alternate forms of property ownership. We now
have quite an active land bank system, through which we
acquire farms, houses, and other buildings and then parcel
out stewardship of the properties.
PLOWBOY: And you're also educating
permaculture designers?
MOLLISON: Yes, and they're trained to
design to the very limit of their intellect, to apply the
principles of functional connections to their plans. In
that sense they're a new breed, totally different from
traditional landscape architects or agricultural designers.
We plan to train them initially in Australia and then send
them out to teach regional courses to other people . . .
thus we'll be setting up an expanding pyramid of functional
design knowledge.
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