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PLOWBOY: To sort of bring it down to an individual level, if people reading this interview are inspired by this idea-are moved by the concept-what courses of action could they take?

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SNYDER: They could certainly begin by making contact with bioregional networkers in their area. Such groups are gradually emerging around the country. [EDITOR'S NOTE: Seethe list accompanying this interview.] So if people are interested, they can write or visit the nearest bioregional networkers, and they can also start by themselves, if they want. To do so, you have to erase current county and state and national boundaries from your mind, and then ask "What's really here?" That means study ...and finding teachers. The teachers are scientists, old farmers and loggers, and your region's Indians. Scientifically, you'd learn the ecology of your area, learn the plants. From old settlers, you'd learn skills and lore. From the Indians, deeper questions arise, such as "Who are coyote and raven?" and "How do we learn proper etiquette?"

And people who follow this track tend to run into each other. They slowly become a new society in an old nation, evolving a shadow economy.

Have you seen the new issue of Raise the Stakes ...on bioregional selfcriticism?

PLOWBOY: No.

SNYDER: It's a good issue. It proposes that we criticize the shortcomings and presumptions of this movement, including its goofy polysyllabic terminology. And there are some pretty good articles. Jim Dodge edited this issue.

I put a critical thing in there, in which I said that bioregionalism is not a panacea: In a sense, it's just a part of the search for exterior proprieties. Setting proper boundaries is not unlike spelling reforms, or the metric

system, or any kind of exterior propriety which in itself doesn't necessarily change human character, doesn't necessarily make human beings any better. I speak as a Buddhist a lot of the time-well, actually, all of the time-and it's part of the Buddhist insight that imperfection and asymmetry are always going to be with us, and that there's no ideal that we'll ever arrive at. The closest thing to the ideal that we can hope for is to live completely aware and mindfully and on balance in this moment.

Ultimate things are not accomplished in history or in time, and this moment-right here and now-is as good as any moment is ever going to be anywhere. So we can't actually count on some postindustrial, bioregional future that will be better than right now.

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