Arthur Shaw on Copionics

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July/August 1970
By John Shuttleworth 
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Plowboy: Do you think it's the growth of the ecological movement that's helped you, or is it just the growing awareness that we are in real trouble?

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AS: I think ecology and awareness of trouble are really one. They represent a threat. I think Copionics will develop because of its promise, rather than as a result of any threat. Man's hope is the thing to look to.

Plowboy: Do many people tell you you're crazy?

AS: Oh yes, yes.

Plowboy: What's your reaction to that?

AS: There are people who find abundance a threat because scarcity is their accustomed way of thinking. Freud says the threat of health, the threat of success, is an awful one for many of us. Not only for the so-called "sick" people, but for most of mankind.

Plowboy: Arthur, I want to ask you one last question: Do you think you're crazy?

AS: (pause) Well, if man is bent on his own destruction, if the predictions of many of our best minds are correct and this species is coming to its end - inevitable end - then I think the criticism would be valid . . . I am crazy.

I offer an approach that is contrary to all our scarcity conditioning, an approach against the awful "design" of our present system. It would be the madness, then, of optimism, if you will. The madness of life against death. The madness of health against sickness.

"When the rich man"s dog gets the milk that the poor man's child needs to avoid rickets, is the system working badly? No. It is working as it is designed to do - putting goods in the hands of those with the most money or dollar votes. "

Is Arthur Shaw crazy? I know he's not. What about you?

The above interview is reprinted with permission of ZYGOTE Magazine, 80 Fifth Avenue, New York, N.Y. 10011. 

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