Arthur Shaw on Copionics

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Plowboy: Don't you think it would hurt the present market system . . . keep it from functioning properly?

AS: No. There would be no alteration of our methodology for trade. Certainly there would be a greater assurance for those who produce because of an assured market. This is a gain over present technologies. The larger gain is in the profitable enlargement of the total market.

Plowboy: With this increase of distribution - where everyone, everywhere would receive food - do you think it would be possible to maintain a constant level? I mean, there would be no famine or wasted harvests? Could we actually have one constant level?

AS: Yes, that is our goal: Homeostatic balance.

Plowboy: Arthur, how do you think these economic changes would affect politics? What would be the political implications?

AS: I think political forms - the ones based on scarcity - will be varied, will be altered. I think they will coalesce and all forms will become one. Politics and political forms are economic expressions, and this is what we should stress. With the alteration of economics, political forms will alter too. And if scarcity is obsolete, of course these forms will convert over to something much more fulfilling to man.

If I can add something too, Allan: Many young people are concerned with "the computerized society". There's a large fallacy there, and a large need to get rid of: The fear that a machine will be running us.

It's hardly that. I mean, we merely turn over to a very efficient device, the computer, the rote and mechanical and ministerial functions of food-getting and the like. It's similar to our own body organization. We don't protest breathing or osmosis by our body mechanisms. Because of them, we're free . . . to think, to ideate.

In a sense, this ought to and can occur between men. Things which occur naturally, automatically, in our own anatomy will be occurring between men and we'll be free for the first time. Really free. To live, make love, create, play the guitar, whatever.

Plowboy: This may be very difficult for people to accept and to believe as a practical theory. It may sound too idealistic to many. How has the World Economic Organization been received?

AS: Well, the reaction has been pretty negative - up to the last three to five years.

Plowboy: Exactly how long have you been pursuing this plan?

AS: About 25 years. But today there is a growing kind of acceptance instead of the resistance (and that's putting it mildly) I met before. There are people now who just recognize and realize and feel and comprehend Copionics . . . and these are people not only in ecology or in mathematic sciences, but economists! And there's a feeling that there can be a break through this indomitable wall - this indomitable creation of scarcity - economics.

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